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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not sure where to start with my RoboGames coverage &#8211; the weekend was jammed packed full of interesting people and cool things &#8211; like talking with the machinist who worked on the NPC motors many of us use in our droids, to hanging out with the <a href="http://orbswarm.com/">Orb Swarm</a> folks or Grant Imahara from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters">Mythbusters</a>, or getting some inside info from the engineer who maintains the machines that spin our aluminum domes. Artoo even got in on some battle bot action in the arena and lived to tell the tail.</p>
<p>The event is held at Fort Mason in San Francisco each year and attracts thousands of people from all over the world. I was in attendance all 3 days with support from my friend Richard, and Gerard was there on Saturday with his R2.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0943.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7353-2/IMG_0943.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<p>The games themselves cover everything from the traditional battle bot arena tournaments, to robot soccer and sumo fighting. There are also special categories for art and bar tending robots. Maybe next year I&#8217;ll enter Artoo into the latter. In total there were 70 different competitive categories.</p>
<p>Artoo was a big crowd pleaser as usual, and many photos were taken with his admiring fans. My favorite was this one I found on <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/inkyhack/2583482372/">Flickr</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/inkyhack/">inkyhack</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/artoo+and+fan+at+robogames.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7522-2/artoo+and+fan+at+robogames.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="309" /></a></p>
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<p>Our friends at  <a href="http://www.nutsvolts.com/">Nuts and Volts</a> / <a href="http://servomagazine.com/">Servo Magazine</a> were also in attendance, and they graciously allowed us to share their booth space and a spot to charge our batteries.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0934.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7337-2/IMG_0934.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/robogames-2008-day-1-highlights">posted earlier</a> about Artoo entering the arena. Here he is &#8220;battling&#8221; Last Rites and Vlad the Impaler II.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0845.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7175-2/IMG_0845.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
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<p><span class="439102221-16062008"><a title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0855.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0855.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0855.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3" src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7201-4/IMG_0855.JPG" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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<p>One of the things I love about events like this, rather than a regular media/sci-fi convention, is networking, sharing ideas and learning from people who are into technology. For example, I got to talk with the creators of the <a href="http://orbswarm.com/">Orb Swarm</a>. These are gigantic steel balls filled with lights and sound that seem to roll around aimlessly. I first saw them at Maker Faire and was instantly mesmerized by them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0920.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7327-2/IMG_0920.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>They&#8217;re incredibly cool and everything about them is &#8220;open source&#8221;, from the physical plans and electronic to the software that runs them. The most interesting thing about them to me was the wireless controllers which are based on Xbee. I&#8217;m still reading over the info in their <a href="http://wiki.orbswarm.com/index.php?title=Main_Page">wiki</a>, and will hopefully talk to them in the future to see if we can replicate the system for us in some Artoo&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a short video of orbs in action</p>
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<p>Artoo also got to play soccer with one of them <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0917.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7322-2/IMG_0917.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>I also met Pierre and John from Team Claymore who  work at <a href="http://www.kerner.com/">Kerner Optical</a> (the old ILM model shop). Grant Imahara from Mythbusters was also there on  Saturday and we all hung out and talked droid for a  while.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/team-claymore.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span class="439102221-16062008"><img id="IFid1" class="ImageFrame_none" title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/team-claymore.jpg.html" src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7478-2/team-claymore.jpg" alt="team-claymore" width="400" height="533" /></span></span></span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span class="439102221-16062008"><a title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0912.JPG.htm" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0912.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img id="IFid1" class="ImageFrame_none" title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0912.JPG.htm" src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7307-2/IMG_0912.JPG" alt="IMG_0912" width="400" height="300" /></a></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p>I-Wei from <a href="http://www.crabfu.com">Crabfu</a> and creator of the <a href="http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/r2s2/">Steampunk R2</a> was also there and we stop on by for a photo op</p>
<p><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7272-2/IMG_0900.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></p>
<p><a href="http://techshop.ws/">TechShop</a> also had a booth, and I got to hang out with founder as well as some of the employees. We&#8217;re hoping we can organize some special builders events at the Menlo Park location soon.</p>
<p>One of the best things about the event was talking with with the battle bot folks. They&#8217;re a wealth of knowledge and many of technologies they use can be directly applied to R2 building. Gerard and I hung out with a gentleman called Mutt for a while. He had a combat robot in games and used to work at NPC Robotics, in fact he was the guy who used to work on the NPC-2212&#8217;s and confirmed that the surplus wheelchair motors we&#8217;ve all been talking about are the exact same motors NPC re-engineers with longer drive shafts for robotic application.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0927.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7528-2/IMG_0927.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<h3>Lessons</h3>
<p>Another thing we brought up with a few of the battle bot builders was drive systems, and in particular direct drive vs belt. I know this has also been banded around the Artoo group for a long time with a lot of people working hard on fitting the NPC motors for direct drive. The consensus from the battle bot folks was that direct drive was a real bad idea &#8211; number of reason being the possible failure of expensive motors or mounting system due to a jammed system vs just having the drive belt fail. After seeing how well these guys bots held up in the arena I&#8217;d definitely bow to their experience and superior knowledge.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0964.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7418-2/IMG_0964.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<p>One big lesson I learned at th games was the importance of a kill switch. Again, there&#8217;s been lots of talk in the builders group about coordinating radio frequencies etc. Well I can tell you, you can plan as much as you  want, but it only takes one person not to following the rules to spoil your day. There were 100&#8217;s of bots in attendance, and the organizers had a good handle on frequency allocation for the most part, many people used the the new 2.4Ghz spread spectrum system which helped a lot, but even so there was a lot of interference and drift between radio bands on the older setups.</p>
<p>On Saturday afternoon an army of high school students showed up with dozens of small bots that jammed a whole lot of channels. I ended up swapping crystals on more than one occasion and thankfully I had brought my <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/droid-caller">frequency analyzer</a> to help track down problems.</p>
<p>So my number one upgrade coming up is adding an easily accessible kill switch for Artoo.</p>
<p>I also had my battery charger die on me on Saturday &#8211; which was not good. Luckily I had two sets of batteries that were fully charged and I was getting around 4-5 hours of solid runtime from them &#8211; but I think a spare battery charger would be a good thing to have in the car.</p>
<h3>Videos</h3>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few short videos of my Artoo found on Flickr</p>
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<p>And, no show would be complete without a bunch of kids interacting with Artoo. I&#8217;m always amazed that so many of them thing he&#8217;s real and autonomous &#8211; even when they come over and ask if him operating him, if I say &#8220;no&#8221; &#8211; they totally believe me and go back to talking to him. Simply amazing <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0893.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7262-2/IMG_0893.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0910.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7297-2/IMG_0910.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0914.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7312-2/IMG_0914.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0947.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7377-2/IMG_0947.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_1005.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7447-2/IMG_1005.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_1006.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7452-2/IMG_1006.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<h3>In closing</h3>
<p>The number one question at this event was <em>&#8220;Where&#8217;s C3PO?&#8221;</em>, and they didn&#8217;t mean some dude in a costume, they were expecting a full functional mechanical droid. Which made a change from &#8220;Does the holoprojector work?&#8221; or &#8220;What about the jet rockets?&#8221;</p>
<p>I should also mention that my new wheel casters worked out great. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be going back to omniballs anytime soon <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fort Mason is right on the bay and across from Alcatraz, so before we left on Saturday we had to get a quick shot for our scrap book</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/Alcatraz+1.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7362-2/Alcatraz+1.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="268" /></a></p>
<p>As always, there are many more photos in the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08">gallery</a>. So click on thru to browse them all. And if you search flickr for &#8220;<a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=robogames&amp;z=t&amp;s=rec">robogames</a>&#8221; you&#8217;ll find dozens of photos and videos of us in action. Here&#8217;s of some of my <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/veggierebel/favorites/">favorites</a>.</p>
<h3>Related:</h3>
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<li><a title="Permanent Link to RoboGames 2008 This Weekend" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/robogames-2008-this-weekend">RoboGames 2008 This Weekend</a></li>
<li><a title="Permanent Link to Cheap NPC-2212 Alternative Motors" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/cheap-npc-2212-alternative-motors">Cheap NPC-2212 Alternative Motors</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not sure where to start with my RoboGames coverage &#8211; the weekend was jammed packed full of interesting people and cool things &#8211; like talking with the machinist who worked on the NPC motors many of us use in our droids, to hanging out with the <a href="http://orbswarm.com/">Orb Swarm</a> folks or Grant Imahara from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters">Mythbusters</a>, or getting some inside info from the engineer who maintains the machines that spin our aluminum domes. Artoo even got in on some battle bot action in the arena and lived to tell the tail.</p>
<p>The event is held at Fort Mason in San Francisco each year and attracts thousands of people from all over the world. I was in attendance all 3 days with support from my friend Richard, and Gerard was there on Saturday with his R2.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0943.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7353-2/IMG_0943.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<p>The games themselves cover everything from the traditional battle bot arena tournaments, to robot soccer and sumo fighting. There are also special categories for art and bar tending robots. Maybe next year I&#8217;ll enter Artoo into the latter. In total there were 70 different competitive categories.</p>
<p>Artoo was a big crowd pleaser as usual, and many photos were taken with his admiring fans. My favorite was this one I found on <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/inkyhack/2583482372/">Flickr</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/inkyhack/">inkyhack</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/artoo+and+fan+at+robogames.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7522-2/artoo+and+fan+at+robogames.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="309" /></a></p>
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<p>Our friends at  <a href="http://www.nutsvolts.com/">Nuts and Volts</a> / <a href="http://servomagazine.com/">Servo Magazine</a> were also in attendance, and they graciously allowed us to share their booth space and a spot to charge our batteries.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0934.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7337-2/IMG_0934.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/robogames-2008-day-1-highlights">posted earlier</a> about Artoo entering the arena. Here he is &#8220;battling&#8221; Last Rites and Vlad the Impaler II.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0845.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7175-2/IMG_0845.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
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<p>One of the things I love about events like this, rather than a regular media/sci-fi convention, is networking, sharing ideas and learning from people who are into technology. For example, I got to talk with the creators of the <a href="http://orbswarm.com/">Orb Swarm</a>. These are gigantic steel balls filled with lights and sound that seem to roll around aimlessly. I first saw them at Maker Faire and was instantly mesmerized by them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0920.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7327-2/IMG_0920.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>They&#8217;re incredibly cool and everything about them is &#8220;open source&#8221;, from the physical plans and electronic to the software that runs them. The most interesting thing about them to me was the wireless controllers which are based on Xbee. I&#8217;m still reading over the info in their <a href="http://wiki.orbswarm.com/index.php?title=Main_Page">wiki</a>, and will hopefully talk to them in the future to see if we can replicate the system for us in some Artoo&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a short video of orbs in action</p>
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<p>Artoo also got to play soccer with one of them <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0917.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7322-2/IMG_0917.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>I also met Pierre and John from Team Claymore who  work at <a href="http://www.kerner.com/">Kerner Optical</a> (the old ILM model shop). Grant Imahara from Mythbusters was also there on  Saturday and we all hung out and talked droid for a  while.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/team-claymore.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span class="439102221-16062008"><img id="IFid1" class="ImageFrame_none" title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/team-claymore.jpg.html" src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7478-2/team-claymore.jpg" alt="team-claymore" width="400" height="533" /></span></span></span></span></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: Arial;"><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span class="439102221-16062008"><a title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0912.JPG.htm" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0912.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img id="IFid1" class="ImageFrame_none" title="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0912.JPG.htm" src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7307-2/IMG_0912.JPG" alt="IMG_0912" width="400" height="300" /></a></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p>I-Wei from <a href="http://www.crabfu.com">Crabfu</a> and creator of the <a href="http://www.crabfu.com/steamtoys/r2s2/">Steampunk R2</a> was also there and we stop on by for a photo op</p>
<p><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7272-2/IMG_0900.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></p>
<p><a href="http://techshop.ws/">TechShop</a> also had a booth, and I got to hang out with founder as well as some of the employees. We&#8217;re hoping we can organize some special builders events at the Menlo Park location soon.</p>
<p>One of the best things about the event was talking with with the battle bot folks. They&#8217;re a wealth of knowledge and many of technologies they use can be directly applied to R2 building. Gerard and I hung out with a gentleman called Mutt for a while. He had a combat robot in games and used to work at NPC Robotics, in fact he was the guy who used to work on the NPC-2212&#8217;s and confirmed that the surplus wheelchair motors we&#8217;ve all been talking about are the exact same motors NPC re-engineers with longer drive shafts for robotic application.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0927.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7528-2/IMG_0927.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<h3>Lessons</h3>
<p>Another thing we brought up with a few of the battle bot builders was drive systems, and in particular direct drive vs belt. I know this has also been banded around the Artoo group for a long time with a lot of people working hard on fitting the NPC motors for direct drive. The consensus from the battle bot folks was that direct drive was a real bad idea &#8211; number of reason being the possible failure of expensive motors or mounting system due to a jammed system vs just having the drive belt fail. After seeing how well these guys bots held up in the arena I&#8217;d definitely bow to their experience and superior knowledge.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0964.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7418-2/IMG_0964.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="533" /></a></p>
<p>One big lesson I learned at th games was the importance of a kill switch. Again, there&#8217;s been lots of talk in the builders group about coordinating radio frequencies etc. Well I can tell you, you can plan as much as you  want, but it only takes one person not to following the rules to spoil your day. There were 100&#8217;s of bots in attendance, and the organizers had a good handle on frequency allocation for the most part, many people used the the new 2.4Ghz spread spectrum system which helped a lot, but even so there was a lot of interference and drift between radio bands on the older setups.</p>
<p>On Saturday afternoon an army of high school students showed up with dozens of small bots that jammed a whole lot of channels. I ended up swapping crystals on more than one occasion and thankfully I had brought my <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/droid-caller">frequency analyzer</a> to help track down problems.</p>
<p>So my number one upgrade coming up is adding an easily accessible kill switch for Artoo.</p>
<p>I also had my battery charger die on me on Saturday &#8211; which was not good. Luckily I had two sets of batteries that were fully charged and I was getting around 4-5 hours of solid runtime from them &#8211; but I think a spare battery charger would be a good thing to have in the car.</p>
<h3>Videos</h3>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few short videos of my Artoo found on Flickr</p>
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<p>And, no show would be complete without a bunch of kids interacting with Artoo. I&#8217;m always amazed that so many of them thing he&#8217;s real and autonomous &#8211; even when they come over and ask if him operating him, if I say &#8220;no&#8221; &#8211; they totally believe me and go back to talking to him. Simply amazing <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0893.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7262-2/IMG_0893.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0910.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7297-2/IMG_0910.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0914.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7312-2/IMG_0914.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_0947.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7377-2/IMG_0947.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_1005.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7447-2/IMG_1005.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/IMG_1006.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7452-2/IMG_1006.JPG" alt="" width="400" height="300" /></a></p>
<h3>In closing</h3>
<p>The number one question at this event was <em>&#8220;Where&#8217;s C3PO?&#8221;</em>, and they didn&#8217;t mean some dude in a costume, they were expecting a full functional mechanical droid. Which made a change from &#8220;Does the holoprojector work?&#8221; or &#8220;What about the jet rockets?&#8221;</p>
<p>I should also mention that my new wheel casters worked out great. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be going back to omniballs anytime soon <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Fort Mason is right on the bay and across from Alcatraz, so before we left on Saturday we had to get a quick shot for our scrap book</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08/Alcatraz+1.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/7362-2/Alcatraz+1.jpg" alt="" width="400" height="268" /></a></p>
<p>As always, there are many more photos in the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/events/robogames08">gallery</a>. So click on thru to browse them all. And if you search flickr for &#8220;<a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=robogames&amp;z=t&amp;s=rec">robogames</a>&#8221; you&#8217;ll find dozens of photos and videos of us in action. Here&#8217;s of some of my <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/veggierebel/favorites/">favorites</a>.</p>
<h3>Related:</h3>
<ul>
<li><a title="Permanent Link to RoboGames 2008 - Day 1 Highlights" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/robogames-2008-day-1-highlights">RoboGames 2008 &#8211; Day 1 Highlights</a></li>
<li><a title="Permanent Link to RoboGames 2008 This Weekend" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/robogames-2008-this-weekend">RoboGames 2008 This Weekend</a></li>
<li><a title="Permanent Link to Cheap NPC-2212 Alternative Motors" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/cheap-npc-2212-alternative-motors">Cheap NPC-2212 Alternative Motors</a></li>
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		<title>Attaching Battery Boxes</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quick run down on how I attached the battery boxes to the feet.</p>
<p>I have the steel feet from JAG which include pre-cut key mounting holes for the battery boxes. I&#8217;d already fixed screws to the boxes when I <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template">cut out the holes</a> for the motors.</p>
<p>But one of the problems with using the screws/key holes is that&#8217;s it&#8217;s almost impossible to set them correctly to get the boxes to fit (and hold) the boxes tight to the feet. I think if I didn&#8217;t have the NPC motors sticking well into the boxes, then the setup would work, but with the motors in place just getting the boxes on is challenge enough &#8211; without worrying about the key holes.</p>
<p>The other problem I had was the boxes were not even close to being straight/true, so when the front was tight to the foot the back had a gap, and vis versa. I&#8217;d tried tweaking them without much luck.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9059.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5599-2/IMG_9059.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p>Originally I&#8217;d tried using some large beefy magnets to help fix the boxes to the feet. They kind of worked, but were easily pulled apart and had a problem getting the front and back to sit flat due to the warped boxes.</p>
<p>Gerard gave me a great tip to just screw the box from the back inside to the bottom of the foot &#8211; and it worked a treat.</p>
<p>I just held the box in place, marked and drill a hole in the box and thru to the foot</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9056.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5589-2/IMG_9056.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p>I tapped the hole from the underside of the foot</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9055.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5584-2/IMG_9055.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9058.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5594-2/IMG_9058.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m still using the side key holes as well, but the new screw holds everything in place and stops the boxes from springing away from the feet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9071.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5605-1/IMG_9071.JPG" height="768" width="576" /></a></p>
<p>Related Posts:</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template">NPC Battery Box Cut Out Template</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/finishing-battery-boxes-and-feet">Finishing Battery Boxes and Feet</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quick run down on how I attached the battery boxes to the feet.</p>
<p>I have the steel feet from JAG which include pre-cut key mounting holes for the battery boxes. I&#8217;d already fixed screws to the boxes when I <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template">cut out the holes</a> for the motors.</p>
<p>But one of the problems with using the screws/key holes is that&#8217;s it&#8217;s almost impossible to set them correctly to get the boxes to fit (and hold) the boxes tight to the feet. I think if I didn&#8217;t have the NPC motors sticking well into the boxes, then the setup would work, but with the motors in place just getting the boxes on is challenge enough &#8211; without worrying about the key holes.</p>
<p>The other problem I had was the boxes were not even close to being straight/true, so when the front was tight to the foot the back had a gap, and vis versa. I&#8217;d tried tweaking them without much luck.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9059.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5599-2/IMG_9059.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p>Originally I&#8217;d tried using some large beefy magnets to help fix the boxes to the feet. They kind of worked, but were easily pulled apart and had a problem getting the front and back to sit flat due to the warped boxes.</p>
<p>Gerard gave me a great tip to just screw the box from the back inside to the bottom of the foot &#8211; and it worked a treat.</p>
<p>I just held the box in place, marked and drill a hole in the box and thru to the foot</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9056.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5589-2/IMG_9056.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p>I tapped the hole from the underside of the foot</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9055.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5584-2/IMG_9055.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9058.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5594-2/IMG_9058.JPG" height="400" width="533" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m still using the side key holes as well, but the new screw holds everything in place and stops the boxes from springing away from the feet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_9071.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/5605-1/IMG_9071.JPG" height="768" width="576" /></a></p>
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<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template">NPC Battery Box Cut Out Template</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/finishing-battery-boxes-and-feet">Finishing Battery Boxes and Feet</a></li>
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		<title>Battery Power Issue Resolved</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>WonderCon was last weekend, and it was my first real test of Artoo since the rebuild. I&#8217;d mentioned that both Gerard and I had <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wondercon-2008#batteries">problems with our batteries</a>. We&#8217;d figured it much be the carpet,  but I hadn&#8217;t had the problem at Celebration 4 &#8211; and in the back of my mine I had a niggling theory what was causing it.</p>
<p>For Celebration 4 I&#8217;d used 3 7Ah 12V batteries, two dedicated to powering the NPC-2212 drive motors,  and one for the body electronics like the sound system, dome drive and speed controllers. But during the rebuild before WonderCon I&#8217;d decided to consolidate all 3 batteries into one block to make charging easier. I&#8217;d had <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/roboteq-3500-code-8-fixed">issues with power</a> before, but thought the problem was resolved and I could consolidate my battery sub-system. Runtime at WonderCon was approx. 60 minutes vs 180+ minutes at C4 &#8211; which is a huge difference.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, while I was redesigning my electronics and adding the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/updated-charging-circuit">charging system</a>, I&#8217;d forgotten that the RoboteQ speed controller really likes a solid 12V supply, so last weekend as my batteries ran down and when the NPC motors first start-up they were eventually pulling the supply well below the minimum 10.5V required by the controller. It&#8217;s &#8220;intelligent&#8221; and shuts down if it thinks it doesn&#8217;t have enough power to control the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET">MOSFET</a> drivers. It&#8217;s only for an instant, and starts back up almost immediately as power is cut to the motors &#8211; which resulted in the very slow and slightly jerky movement.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/roboteq-3500-sm.jpg" alt="RoboteQ AX3500" /></p>
<p>So today to prove my theory, I reinstalled the the &#8220;dead&#8221; batteries from last week without recharging them, and added a separate 12V battery to the Power Control lines on the RoboteQ &#8211; Bingo! Worked first time. The issue was totally gone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kinda embarrassed that I went through this, because I should have remember that there&#8217;s a know &#8220;design feature&#8221; with low batteries and high current draw on this type of speed controller.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now confident that I can pretty much run Artoo for multiple hours on a single charge &#8211; but  I will have to reconfigure my electronics system again &#8211; making it harder to charge batteries in place.</p>
<p><strong>Related Posts:</strong></p>
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<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wondercon-2008">WonderCon 2008 Show Report</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/updated-charging-circuit">Updated Charging System Circuit</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/roboteq-3500-code-8-fixed">RoboteQ 3500 code 8 fixed</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/artoos-first-steps">Artoo&#8217;s First Steps</a></li>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WonderCon was last weekend, and it was my first real test of Artoo since the rebuild. I&#8217;d mentioned that both Gerard and I had <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wondercon-2008#batteries">problems with our batteries</a>. We&#8217;d figured it much be the carpet,  but I hadn&#8217;t had the problem at Celebration 4 &#8211; and in the back of my mine I had a niggling theory what was causing it.</p>
<p>For Celebration 4 I&#8217;d used 3 7Ah 12V batteries, two dedicated to powering the NPC-2212 drive motors,  and one for the body electronics like the sound system, dome drive and speed controllers. But during the rebuild before WonderCon I&#8217;d decided to consolidate all 3 batteries into one block to make charging easier. I&#8217;d had <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/roboteq-3500-code-8-fixed">issues with power</a> before, but thought the problem was resolved and I could consolidate my battery sub-system. Runtime at WonderCon was approx. 60 minutes vs 180+ minutes at C4 &#8211; which is a huge difference.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, while I was redesigning my electronics and adding the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/updated-charging-circuit">charging system</a>, I&#8217;d forgotten that the RoboteQ speed controller really likes a solid 12V supply, so last weekend as my batteries ran down and when the NPC motors first start-up they were eventually pulling the supply well below the minimum 10.5V required by the controller. It&#8217;s &#8220;intelligent&#8221; and shuts down if it thinks it doesn&#8217;t have enough power to control the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET">MOSFET</a> drivers. It&#8217;s only for an instant, and starts back up almost immediately as power is cut to the motors &#8211; which resulted in the very slow and slightly jerky movement.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/roboteq-3500-sm.jpg" alt="RoboteQ AX3500" /></p>
<p>So today to prove my theory, I reinstalled the the &#8220;dead&#8221; batteries from last week without recharging them, and added a separate 12V battery to the Power Control lines on the RoboteQ &#8211; Bingo! Worked first time. The issue was totally gone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kinda embarrassed that I went through this, because I should have remember that there&#8217;s a know &#8220;design feature&#8221; with low batteries and high current draw on this type of speed controller.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now confident that I can pretty much run Artoo for multiple hours on a single charge &#8211; but  I will have to reconfigure my electronics system again &#8211; making it harder to charge batteries in place.</p>
<p><strong>Related Posts:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wondercon-2008">WonderCon 2008 Show Report</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/updated-charging-circuit">Updated Charging System Circuit</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/roboteq-3500-code-8-fixed">RoboteQ 3500 code 8 fixed</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/artoos-first-steps">Artoo&#8217;s First Steps</a></li>
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		<title>Relays for Charging System</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[batteries]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using simple 12V SPDT automotive relays in my droid to control switching of power between normal operation and the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/charging-jack">charging system</a>.</p>
<p>Typically automotive relays are 30A/40A, but I felt I needed something a little bit more substantial. I found these 60/80A <a href="http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1502">relays at SkyCraft</a> for less than $5, which is very reasonable. I&#8217;d tried to find something local but came up blank.</p>
<p>The only catch is the terminals are 3/8&#8243;, instead of the more normal 1/4&#8243;, luckily I found some at Pep Boys for a couple of bucks. I&#8217;m  hoping to work on getting my electronics re-installed this week and i&#8217;ll swap these into my setup at the same time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/electronics/power/IMG_8467.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/4741-2/IMG_8467.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using simple 12V SPDT automotive relays in my droid to control switching of power between normal operation and the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/charging-jack">charging system</a>.</p>
<p>Typically automotive relays are 30A/40A, but I felt I needed something a little bit more substantial. I found these 60/80A <a href="http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1502">relays at SkyCraft</a> for less than $5, which is very reasonable. I&#8217;d tried to find something local but came up blank.</p>
<p>The only catch is the terminals are 3/8&#8243;, instead of the more normal 1/4&#8243;, luckily I found some at Pep Boys for a couple of bucks. I&#8217;m  hoping to work on getting my electronics re-installed this week and i&#8217;ll swap these into my setup at the same time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/electronics/power/IMG_8467.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/4741-2/IMG_8467.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
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		<title>Dome Drive &#8211; Possible 24V Solution</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Electronics]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[12 volt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[24 volt]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[batteries]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[battery]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>It does look like I may end up trying running the Pittman Dome Motor at 24 volts as a test going forward. I can&#8217;t see adding a gear at this point in time.</p>
<p>This leads me to my next problem, my battery sub-system is all 12 volts. I&#8217;ve had no need for 24 volts in the body as my main drive motors the NPC-2212&#8217;s can only run at 12 volts, and everything else is stepped down from 12 volts using Dan&#8217;s distribution board.</p>
<p>I know how easy it is to create 24 volts from two 12 volt batteries, which I have and can do with what I have on hand, but configuring in series and then tapping off for 12 volts adds a level of complexity for charging the batteries w/o removing or rewiring each time. There&#8217;s also the problem of one battery draining faster.</p>
<p>For those unfamiliar with creating 24 volt from 12 volt batteries, this is a really <a href="http://bus.getdave.com/Docs/12Von24V">good site explaining how</a> and some of the problems.</p>
<p>One of the problems he talks about is charging unbalanced batteries in parallel and something called a &#8220;Battery Equalizers / Balancers&#8221; which can fix this problem. The unbalance comes from the 12 volt tap on a 24 volt system, and the two batteries discharging at different rates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping someone has tried an equalizer in their droid before. I&#8217;ve found a lot of <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Battery+Equalizer+%2F+Battery+Balancer">information on equalizers</a>, mostly large clunky boxes for RV&#8217;s and buses, but there are smaller version out the like this <a href="http://www.powerdesigners.com/powercheq.htm">one</a>.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m hoping is to use the 3 12 volt 7amp batteries I&#8217;m using right now in parallel, and then combine two of these in series for 24 volts. For charging have a switch/circuit to disconnect/isolate them from anything in the droid and reconfigure just in the parallel state to charge all 3 batteries together.</p>
<p>Tall order I know without causing a short circuit or fire <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does look like I may end up trying running the Pittman Dome Motor at 24 volts as a test going forward. I can&#8217;t see adding a gear at this point in time.</p>
<p>This leads me to my next problem, my battery sub-system is all 12 volts. I&#8217;ve had no need for 24 volts in the body as my main drive motors the NPC-2212&#8217;s can only run at 12 volts, and everything else is stepped down from 12 volts using Dan&#8217;s distribution board.</p>
<p>I know how easy it is to create 24 volts from two 12 volt batteries, which I have and can do with what I have on hand, but configuring in series and then tapping off for 12 volts adds a level of complexity for charging the batteries w/o removing or rewiring each time. There&#8217;s also the problem of one battery draining faster.</p>
<p>For those unfamiliar with creating 24 volt from 12 volt batteries, this is a really <a href="http://bus.getdave.com/Docs/12Von24V">good site explaining how</a> and some of the problems.</p>
<p>One of the problems he talks about is charging unbalanced batteries in parallel and something called a &#8220;Battery Equalizers / Balancers&#8221; which can fix this problem. The unbalance comes from the 12 volt tap on a 24 volt system, and the two batteries discharging at different rates.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping someone has tried an equalizer in their droid before. I&#8217;ve found a lot of <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Battery+Equalizer+%2F+Battery+Balancer">information on equalizers</a>, mostly large clunky boxes for RV&#8217;s and buses, but there are smaller version out the like this <a href="http://www.powerdesigners.com/powercheq.htm">one</a>.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m hoping is to use the 3 12 volt 7amp batteries I&#8217;m using right now in parallel, and then combine two of these in series for 24 volts. For charging have a switch/circuit to disconnect/isolate them from anything in the droid and reconfigure just in the parallel state to charge all 3 batteries together.</p>
<p>Tall order I know without causing a short circuit or fire <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>NPC Battery Box Cut Out Template</title>
		<link>http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Feet]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[battery box]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Battery Boxes]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quick template I created to help mark out the hole in the battery boxes necessary to accommodate the NPC-2212 motors and the <a href="http://atomicpickle.com/tutorial/tutorial-foot_drive.html">JAG/Dave Painter Foot Drive System</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3202-1/JAG_Bat_Box_NPC_Hole.pdf">Download</a> and print the file at full size on 8.5&#8243;x11&#8243; paper without scaling. I can&#8217;t stress enough not to scale or alter the margins.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7152.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3192-2/IMG_7152.JPG" alt="JAG NPC Battery Box Template" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I used a Dremel to cut out the hole and if I had this template to start with I&#8217;d probably saved myself a few hours work and a bunch of cutting wheels.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7140.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3167-2/IMG_7140.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>[<a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3202-1/JAG_Bat_Box_NPC_Hole.pdf">PDF Template</a>]</p>
<p>Note: Your mileage will most likely vary. This is not an official builders club document but based on my experience in cutting my JAG Battery Boxes. Everyone has a slightly different way of building a droid, so best check then double check all measurement before cutting.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a quick template I created to help mark out the hole in the battery boxes necessary to accommodate the NPC-2212 motors and the <a href="http://atomicpickle.com/tutorial/tutorial-foot_drive.html">JAG/Dave Painter Foot Drive System</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3202-1/JAG_Bat_Box_NPC_Hole.pdf">Download</a> and print the file at full size on 8.5&#8243;x11&#8243; paper without scaling. I can&#8217;t stress enough not to scale or alter the margins.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7152.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3192-2/IMG_7152.JPG" alt="JAG NPC Battery Box Template" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I used a Dremel to cut out the hole and if I had this template to start with I&#8217;d probably saved myself a few hours work and a bunch of cutting wheels.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7140.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3167-2/IMG_7140.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>[<a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3202-1/JAG_Bat_Box_NPC_Hole.pdf">PDF Template</a>]</p>
<p>Note: Your mileage will most likely vary. This is not an official builders club document but based on my experience in cutting my JAG Battery Boxes. Everyone has a slightly different way of building a droid, so best check then double check all measurement before cutting.</p>
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		<title>From Feet to Painting</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Feet]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Finish/Paint]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[battery box]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Battery Boxes]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hoses]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[KHF]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Knurled Hoses Fittings]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[NPC]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Weather has turned a little cold and we&#8217;ve had some rain, so I got to work in the garage this last weekend.</p>
<p>It was a mix bag, from cleaning up space to work to jumping between painting some parts, cutting the skins and fitting the battery boxes and hoses. I also tried to troubleshoot some issues I&#8217;m having, like the dome speed rotation, but more of that later.</p>
<p>First up I really needed to make space to totally disassembled R2. I&#8217;d been dreading it and a few events throughout the summer kinda gave me an excuse to avoid it. Even though he&#8217;s not finished it&#8217;s still been fun driving him around and people love him.</p>
<p>So I started off by breaking him down and inspected parts for wear, missing screws etc.</p>
<p>I never did get a coat of undercoat on the center foot before C4, and some surface rust had set in. I was also surprised how well the omniball castor&#8217;s have held up given the terrain I&#8217;ve run him over.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7085.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3088-2/IMG_7085.JPG" alt="Center Foot" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7091.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3092-2/IMG_7091.JPG" alt="Center Foot omni ball" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>A once over with some sandpaper removed the rust from all the center foot parts and I was able to give them a coat paint.</p>
<p>I also inspected my center ankle for any problems. George Luck broke a JAG center ankle right after C4 and I was a little worried about mine, but all the joints looked fine. I&#8217;ve heard of two ankles breaking now, and both times the droids had done a long cross country trek for C4. I&#8217;m wondering if that&#8217;s the problem rather than every day wear and tear. To be on the safe side I had ordered a spare center ankle from Jerry just in case, but hopefully I&#8217;ll not need to use it anytime soon <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/original_JAG_ankle2.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3187-2/original_JAG_ankle2.JPG" alt="JAG Ankle - Weld Inspection" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Next up, I finally drilled the holes in the outer feet for the Knurled Hose Fittings (KHF). I had a bit of trouble securing the the foot on my drill press, so had to use my cordless hand drill instead, problem was the drill bit would not fit. I had to use my stepping bit instead. I don&#8217;t think it like it much as the steel feet are pretty tough &#8211; but it got the job done.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7111.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3113-2/IMG_7111.JPG" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>The Kurled Hose Fittings only just arrived last week from Doug and they have a nice feature where the hose is easily secured with a screw-in plug.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7108.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3102-2/IMG_7108.JPG" alt="Knurled Hose Fittings" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7114.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3118-2/IMG_7114.JPG" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>With the KFL I also got some new braided hoses, but I wasn&#8217;t too keen on how gold they were. I much prefer the original copper one&#8217;s I got some time ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7117.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3122-2/IMG_7117.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I had to insert some tubing into the braided hoses to make sure they held their shape and secure the hose in place inside the KHF.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7122.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3127-2/IMG_7122.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Now comes the kicker with the KHF &#8211; there&#8217;s always a kicker right? They hit the main drive wheel once I got things back together</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7125.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3137-2/IMG_7125.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I even switched out to using regular nuts, but  it looks like I&#8217;ll need to trim the KHF&#8217;s down by half</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7143.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3177-2/IMG_7143.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I decided to move on to cutting the back of the battery boxes to accommodated the big NPC motors. I couldn&#8217;t find a template anywhere, so it was a bit of trial and error. I started off with cutting the smallest hole I could, traced from the matching hole in the foot. It wasn&#8217;t big enough to slide down and over the motor so I gradually made things bigger until thinks worked. Once the box is in place you&#8217;ll not be able to notice the hole.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try and create a PDF template later tonight to share [update - <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template/">here's the template</a>]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7140.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3167-2/IMG_7140.JPG" alt="Cut Battery Boxes" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7141.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3172-2/IMG_7141.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I also had to grind down the motor in three spots. In the <a href="http://atomicpickle.com/tutorial/tutorial-foot_drive.html">Dave Painter tutorial</a> it looks like you only need to grind the top sides of the motor, but I also had to grind the bottom outside edge too</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7128.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3142-2/IMG_7128.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7129.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3147-2/IMG_7129.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7131.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3152-2/IMG_7131.JPG" height="400" width="300" /></a></p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the first foot assembled with the motor encased in the battery box ready for painting. Next step battery harnesses.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7139.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3162-2/IMG_7139.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>As I said at the start of this blog entry, I did a lot more on R2 over the weekend, but I&#8217;ll stop here for now.</p>
<p>As always more photos in the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs">gallery section</a>.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weather has turned a little cold and we&#8217;ve had some rain, so I got to work in the garage this last weekend.</p>
<p>It was a mix bag, from cleaning up space to work to jumping between painting some parts, cutting the skins and fitting the battery boxes and hoses. I also tried to troubleshoot some issues I&#8217;m having, like the dome speed rotation, but more of that later.</p>
<p>First up I really needed to make space to totally disassembled R2. I&#8217;d been dreading it and a few events throughout the summer kinda gave me an excuse to avoid it. Even though he&#8217;s not finished it&#8217;s still been fun driving him around and people love him.</p>
<p>So I started off by breaking him down and inspected parts for wear, missing screws etc.</p>
<p>I never did get a coat of undercoat on the center foot before C4, and some surface rust had set in. I was also surprised how well the omniball castor&#8217;s have held up given the terrain I&#8217;ve run him over.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7085.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3088-2/IMG_7085.JPG" alt="Center Foot" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7091.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3092-2/IMG_7091.JPG" alt="Center Foot omni ball" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>A once over with some sandpaper removed the rust from all the center foot parts and I was able to give them a coat paint.</p>
<p>I also inspected my center ankle for any problems. George Luck broke a JAG center ankle right after C4 and I was a little worried about mine, but all the joints looked fine. I&#8217;ve heard of two ankles breaking now, and both times the droids had done a long cross country trek for C4. I&#8217;m wondering if that&#8217;s the problem rather than every day wear and tear. To be on the safe side I had ordered a spare center ankle from Jerry just in case, but hopefully I&#8217;ll not need to use it anytime soon <img src='http://www.artoo-detoo.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/original_JAG_ankle2.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3187-2/original_JAG_ankle2.JPG" alt="JAG Ankle - Weld Inspection" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Next up, I finally drilled the holes in the outer feet for the Knurled Hose Fittings (KHF). I had a bit of trouble securing the the foot on my drill press, so had to use my cordless hand drill instead, problem was the drill bit would not fit. I had to use my stepping bit instead. I don&#8217;t think it like it much as the steel feet are pretty tough &#8211; but it got the job done.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7111.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3113-2/IMG_7111.JPG" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>The Kurled Hose Fittings only just arrived last week from Doug and they have a nice feature where the hose is easily secured with a screw-in plug.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7108.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3102-2/IMG_7108.JPG" alt="Knurled Hose Fittings" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7114.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3118-2/IMG_7114.JPG" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>With the KFL I also got some new braided hoses, but I wasn&#8217;t too keen on how gold they were. I much prefer the original copper one&#8217;s I got some time ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7117.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3122-2/IMG_7117.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I had to insert some tubing into the braided hoses to make sure they held their shape and secure the hose in place inside the KHF.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7122.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3127-2/IMG_7122.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Now comes the kicker with the KHF &#8211; there&#8217;s always a kicker right? They hit the main drive wheel once I got things back together</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7125.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3137-2/IMG_7125.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I even switched out to using regular nuts, but  it looks like I&#8217;ll need to trim the KHF&#8217;s down by half</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7143.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3177-2/IMG_7143.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I decided to move on to cutting the back of the battery boxes to accommodated the big NPC motors. I couldn&#8217;t find a template anywhere, so it was a bit of trial and error. I started off with cutting the smallest hole I could, traced from the matching hole in the foot. It wasn&#8217;t big enough to slide down and over the motor so I gradually made things bigger until thinks worked. Once the box is in place you&#8217;ll not be able to notice the hole.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try and create a PDF template later tonight to share [update - <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/npc-battery-box-cut-out-template/">here's the template</a>]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7140.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3167-2/IMG_7140.JPG" alt="Cut Battery Boxes" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7141.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3172-2/IMG_7141.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I also had to grind down the motor in three spots. In the <a href="http://atomicpickle.com/tutorial/tutorial-foot_drive.html">Dave Painter tutorial</a> it looks like you only need to grind the top sides of the motor, but I also had to grind the bottom outside edge too</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7128.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3142-2/IMG_7128.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7129.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3147-2/IMG_7129.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7131.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=3"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3152-2/IMG_7131.JPG" height="400" width="300" /></a></p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the first foot assembled with the motor encased in the battery box ready for painting. Next step battery harnesses.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_7139.JPG.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3162-2/IMG_7139.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>As I said at the start of this blog entry, I did a lot more on R2 over the weekend, but I&#8217;ll stop here for now.</p>
<p>As always more photos in the <a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs">gallery section</a>.</p>
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		<title>Hiding Drive Wires</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another retroactive post about something I worked on a few months ago.</p>
<p>One of the challenges is passing  the drive wires that goes from the ankle into the foot shell. Some people use the totally hidden/invisible method where slots are cut in the side of the ankle and foot shell very close to the bolt. Here&#8217;s an example of Wayne O&#8217;s setup using this method.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/wire_ankle_to_foot.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2945-2/wire_ankle_to_foot.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Space is tight and things have to be perfectly aligned or you run the risk of chopping the wires when the ankle pivots. It&#8217;s also virtually impossible to add grommets so over time my worry is that the wire may wear. <strong>edit 9/7/07</strong> &#8211; Wayne just informed me that his setup above has been working fine for over a year and half without any problems or wear and tear.</p>
<p>I was on a time crunch and not sure if I was up to marking and cutting such precise slots, so I opted for the more conventional method of drilling holes in the foot shell just behind the ankle and corresponding hole in bottom of the ankle.</p>
<p>My wires are pretty think and by my calculation I needed a chunky grommet, but I couldn&#8217;t find anything suitable so had to improvise. Instead I used a short length of opaque tubing which passes through from the ankle into the leg. Not only does it protecting the wires it also hide them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5958.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2935-2/IMG_5958.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>This is the inside of the Ankle</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5959.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2940-2/IMG_5959.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>And the Foot Shell</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5953.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2920-2/IMG_5953.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Tube passing from the ankle into the foot shell</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5955.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2925-2/IMG_5955.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5956.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2930-2/IMG_5956.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_6987.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3009-2/IMG_6987.JPG" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I also used the same hose in the top of the legs/shoulder to protect the wire as it passes into the body.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another retroactive post about something I worked on a few months ago.</p>
<p>One of the challenges is passing  the drive wires that goes from the ankle into the foot shell. Some people use the totally hidden/invisible method where slots are cut in the side of the ankle and foot shell very close to the bolt. Here&#8217;s an example of Wayne O&#8217;s setup using this method.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/wire_ankle_to_foot.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2945-2/wire_ankle_to_foot.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Space is tight and things have to be perfectly aligned or you run the risk of chopping the wires when the ankle pivots. It&#8217;s also virtually impossible to add grommets so over time my worry is that the wire may wear. <strong>edit 9/7/07</strong> &#8211; Wayne just informed me that his setup above has been working fine for over a year and half without any problems or wear and tear.</p>
<p>I was on a time crunch and not sure if I was up to marking and cutting such precise slots, so I opted for the more conventional method of drilling holes in the foot shell just behind the ankle and corresponding hole in bottom of the ankle.</p>
<p>My wires are pretty think and by my calculation I needed a chunky grommet, but I couldn&#8217;t find anything suitable so had to improvise. Instead I used a short length of opaque tubing which passes through from the ankle into the leg. Not only does it protecting the wires it also hide them.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5958.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2935-2/IMG_5958.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>This is the inside of the Ankle</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5959.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2940-2/IMG_5959.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>And the Foot Shell</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5953.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2920-2/IMG_5953.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>Tube passing from the ankle into the foot shell</p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5955.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2925-2/IMG_5955.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_5956.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/2930-2/IMG_5956.JPG" height="300" width="400" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/v/build/legs/IMG_6987.JPG.html"><img src="http://www.artoo-detoo.net/gallery/d/3009-2/IMG_6987.JPG" height="533" width="400" /></a></p>
<p>I also used the same hose in the top of the legs/shoulder to protect the wire as it passes into the body.</p>
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